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Dwight Friesen Tells Seed Story at The Ooze

Friday, November 18th, 2005

The Ooze has started a web conversation called Seed Stories - Adventures in Church Planting. It’s an opportunity for people involved in starting churches with an ‘emerging’ flavour to share their stories.

First off the rank is Dwight Friesen in a frank interview on planting small. He talks about starting off with a vision of becoming a ‘mega’ church but coming to embrace a vision of growing a community of 30 to 40 people.

Dwight has a web site with connections to ‘Christ-commons’, connecting, orthoparadoxy, relationality, and some very use44/241/200/dwight-friesen.jpgful writings. He and his wife Lynette founded quest - a Christ-commons in metro Seattle in 1996. He’s recently taken on the role of Assistant Professor in Theology at Mars Hill Graduate School in Seattle. He’s currently teaching “Introduction to the Hermeneutical Task - Art of Reading Beyond the Page” & “Life Together I - Ancient-Future Focus for Church & Worship”. I appreciate his wisdom and humility.

Here’s a sample of the interview from Seed Stories.

Seed Stories: What has been the most challenging aspect of this for you? (Feel free to go wherever with this: psychologically, emotionally, occupationally, theologically, philosophically, physically, etc.)

Dwight: On a personal level one of the great challenges continues to be to die to my dreams of a successful ministry. I have had to embrace church planting failure as my m.o. I always wanted to be respected and have people be interested in what I do - for God’s glory of course - but choosing to be in relationship with the people God brings my way and intentionally limiting the size and scope of one’s ministry doesn’t earn the respect of the modern church. One of the things I haven’t been able to get used to yet is watching as a friend in our community begins cutting themselves off from community and put up increasing blocks to the attempts of others to get close. When I see that it is often just a matter of time before I lose them from my life. When I know that a person is unconnected and is making choices which isolate them from community I grieve, for pain they are experiencing for the loss of their presence in my/our life and for loss to our community where every participant shapes us. I love seeing someone fall in love with Christ through his church, especially when a person’s prior experience of the church has been very negative. I love to see a person marvel at the grace of God in a church community.

SS: What have you found to be the most freeing aspect of what you are doing?

DF: I have a life that I like for the most part. I like who I am becoming and who my family is becoming. I have friends and we love each other and we love God together. We enjoy the freedom to create a schedule that works for us. We have a sense of openness, no topic is off limits, no person can’t be related with. Allocation of time is big - we spend almost no time planning and organizing events. We don’t spend a lot of time looking for needs or trying to fill the gaps in our programming. We don’t market ourselves. We try to just be.

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Brian McLaren Last Word Novel Starts Online Conversation On Hell

Monday, May 9th, 2005

Brian McLaren's book, Last WordTonight (East Australia Time) a number of bloggers have started conversations with Brian McLaren, touching on the issues raised in Brian’s most recent book, The Last Word and The Word After That. It’s not often an author takes the opportunity to dialogue with his readers in this way. (The image to the right by the way has been doctored to include Brian’s photo and a hint of hell.)

At Tall Skinny Kiwi, for example, Brian asks two questions:
#1 For you personally, is the gospel primarily information on how to avoid hell, largely but not exclusively for hell avoidance, partially but not mostly for it, peripherally for it, or not at all for it? (Not sure if you could make this a poll?)
#2 And if the primary purpose for the good news of Jesus is not to get individual souls out of hell after this life, what is its primary purpose?

Head on over to Tall Skinny Kiwi’s blog, vote in the ‘Skinny Poll’ and put your two cents worth in the comments.

At Jen Lemen’s site Brian talks about some of the personal background to the book. How he developed his thinking and so on.

At Pomo Musings (Adam Cleaveland) Brian comments:
“One of the sub-themes of the book is that our understanding or misunderstanding of hell, judgment, the purpose of God, and the character of God has huge ramifications in how we live - including how we treat other humans, other living creatures, and the planet itself.”

At Jordon Cooper’s site the action is yet to start.

At Dwight Friesen’s site, Brian writes:
“I have felt for a long time that Western Christian theology (in its Catholic and Protestant forms) had somewhere become preoccupied with getting individual souls out of hell after death, and had too often lost a sense of God’s continuing love for all creation in this life - in other words, we had substituted something else for the gospel of the kingdom of God, which was at the heart of Jesus’ message.”

And at Chris Monro’s Paradoxology blog Brian’s just getting into the conversation.

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